Thursday, March 31, 2016

Coming Back to Life: March 31, 2016

Focus: What does it mean to be alive but not alive, dead but not dead?

1. Warming up with the Part 2 vocabulary words and www.quizlet.com

2. Performing a dramatic reenactment of Montag and Mildred's book extravaganza (71-77)

  • What's alive/coming back to life in this scene?
  • What's dead or dying in this scene?

Please post one of your observations on today's class blog to kick off fishbowl discussion.

3. Enjoying F451 Fishbowl #4: Pages 63-80

HW:
1. By MONDAY, read through page 102 in F451. Leaders and discussers should prepare for Fishbowl. FISHBOWL IS ON MONDAY NEXT WEEK.

2. If you're giving your presentation tomorrow, Friday, April 1, you should be working on it this week.

3. Complete Day 4 of your seven-day challenge. Some of your charts are blank; remember that in order for your chart to be accurate, you must fill it out every single day rather than filling out the whole thing Sunday night (which I can see in your revision history).

177 comments:

  1. Books are coming to life, while electronics are dying.

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  2. Clarisses memory is alive through the dozen books that they have.

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  3. The parlor in the very beginning of the chapter is dying, if not already dead.

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  4. Books are coming to life, while electronics are dying

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  5. Books are coming back to life.

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  6. Millie's 'family' could be considered dead/dying because they were never real. And also Montag is pointing out that they don't actually love Millie.

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  7. Books are now coming to life and all of the technology is starting to die off.

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  8. Montag's spirit is coming back to life as he is encouraged by what he is finding in the books.

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  9. Books are beginning to come back into society again. Because of this people's attitudes are changing positively. Technology is sort of being ignored because books are new to everyone.

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  10. In Montag's eyes, the books are coming back to life, but he realizes that society is dying (Bombers, burning books, kicking dogs)

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  11. Books are coming back to life in this scene. What's dying is the happiness of Montag.

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  12. The TV is alive, but not alive. It has always been turned on and entertaining. But in this scene, it is turned off and silent...not dead but absent.

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  13. Something that is coming back to life is Montag's relationship with the old English professor. Something that is dying in Mildred and Montag's relationship.

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  14. Montag is coming to life in this scene because he's finally understanding the meaning of books. He sees the power and the learning he can achieve from them. He's beginning to start a fight against society by himself over these things he's taken an oath to destroying.

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  15. T.V is dying in there relationship because this is the first time in a while it hasn't been on.

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  16. I believe that what is coming to life is montag's inter fire because he is really challenging the world in this scene and what is dying is electronics

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  17. The family on the tv is dying but the books are coming to life which represents a shift in technology and obtaining information

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  18. Books are actually being looked at and it's starting to give at some people a different point of view.

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  19. The books (old time) are making their way back while technology (present and future time) are receiding

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  20. I think the books are coming back to life and the tv is dying

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  21. Books are starting to come back to life as is Montag's interest. Technology is dying as in Mildred's interest in books as well.

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  22. Books are coming back, and technology is becoming less of a necessity

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  23. Millie's curiosity is coming back to life while her TV 'family' is dying.

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  24. Montag's free thinking is coming back alive, while his tolerance for the life he lives is dying.

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  25. Technology is not as controlling over Montag

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  26. On page 71, "We cannot tell the precise moment when friendship is formed. As in filling a vessel drop by drop, there is at last a drop which makes it run over; so in a series of kindnesses there is at last one which makes the heart run over". Is Clarisse the final drop that sent Montag heart over?

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  27. Why does Montag care about changing Mildred as well as himself?

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    1. She used to be different and the woman she used to be was the one he married for a reason. I think he wants to have the old Mildred back, the one that cares and loves him.

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    2. I think that Mildred has never been open to these things and now that he is changing he wants her to change to so he doesn't feel alone in the dark.

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  29. Beatty and Montag's conflict will get worse because they're just different from each other.

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  30. "Maybe you'd look under Guy Montag or maybe under Fear and War" (Bradbury Pg. 73). Why did Bradbury capitalize Fear and War in this sentence?

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    1. I think Bradbury capitalized Fear and War because that's the state Bradbury is in right now. Meaning because of all the change that is about to happen, Montag is feeling a lot of fear because of the potential war.

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    2. I think he is trying to emphasize what we were talking about yesterday in how this beautiful place in the world is just being ruined by constant Fear and now War in the country

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    3. I believe that the author capitalizes these two words because both of these words have something to do with how much power the books have to make people worry about war and fear about the books

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  31. I think that a conflict is just on the horizon for Beatty and Montag because Montag has his mind set on expanding his knowledge through the books. He shows no sign of stopping.

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    1. I think this is setting up for an epic conflict at the end of the book.

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  32. On page 79, Montag is obviously having issues with reading, which is because he had never had much experience with books. The advertisements definitely don't help, either. But why would he read the book in public? Is he really that intrigued by the book, that he couldn't wait 5-10 minutes?

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  33. On page 73, Montag complains about the bombers when he states, "Every hour so many damn things in the sky! How in hell did those bombers get up there every single second of our lives!" Why does the author incorporate this idea of the war planes and military? Maybe its a hint for something thats about to happen?

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    1. I think that the author includes these scenes to remind people that they are constantly at a threat and create a fear factor

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    2. Can you not spoil the rest of the book thanks

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    3. I think it is showing that the world is crumbling as the technology expands and they could be under war currently in a different area of Montag and all of the main characters.

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  34. How will beatty react to Montag returning the fake copy of the book, or will he even notice that it's fake?

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    1. I think we want him to not notice but the storyline of the book will say that he will notice

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    2. If Montag was smart, he would return the original and keep the fake one

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  35. "These men have been dead a long time, but I know their words point, one way or another, to Clarisse"(72). In what way do these books relate or connect to Clarisse.

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  36. Pg 76 "It might be the last copy in this part of the world" Even something as historical as the New Testament is going extinct. Does religion not play a factor in the book?

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    1. Why be religious when you have a TV?

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    2. It can't really exist because modern churches all include passages and stories from the bible. And if they don't have access to more than one bible than they can't really believe in anything without proof from it.

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    3. I don't know if it was really intended to focus on the aspect of religion but the fact that the New Testament is such an important book itself, it was really surprising to think that it could be the last copy in the world.

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  37. Are there any predictions for what will happen to Montag if he keeps up this risky behavior? Will Mildred's worst fears be realized? I think Montag will get in some trouble before things get better for books.

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    1. I believe that Montag is going to get caught and be interrogated. Also Mildred will turn on him, because we can start to tell she does not possess the same mindset as Montag

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  38. Why do you think the only person that feels bad about burning books is Montag? Why does no one else feel this way.

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    1. The Clarrise chick probably felt the same way, which could be why she got slaughtered

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    2. I think Clarrise "awakened" Montag and started stirring ideas inside of him. She told him that he was different from everyone else

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    3. I think that they haven't had a reason to feel bad but I think that Montag feels bad because Clarise opened up his mind to actually think and question certain things

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  39. On page 73. Mildred kicked at a book. "Books aren't people. You read and I look all around , but there isn't anybody!"

    I think this is describing how people are lonely and depressed because they do not no how to be content with themselves. People want to connect with one another, but they can't because nobody knows how anymore.

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  40. On page 72, the text states that, "Under the doorsill, a slow, probing sniff, an exhalation of electric steam". This is the mechanical dog at Montag's door and what do you think the significance of its appearance is? Do you think it knows that Montag has a book? And if so, why would it stay at the door?

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  41. Do you think that Montag can trust Millie with the knowledge of his books?

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    1. I think she is against the idea of reading the books and being associated with them but I think that he can trust her because they are in on it together now and he promised her that he would stop within 48 hours.

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    2. He wants to think he can because of their relationship as husband and wife. But sooner or later she's going to throw Montag under the bus and leave his side because she doesn't want to lose anything because of her "foolish" husband.

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    3. Probably not, but it wouldn't really matter because she always kills herself, so if she does something untrustworthy he could decide not to call the ghost buster people to save her. Maybe he can change her mind to make her trustworthy, though

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    4. If I were in Montag's perspective I would not trust anyone other than myself, because the bible has so much more power than other books, and all it takes is one little thing for Mildred to do and then they're both screwed

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    5. I agree with Jackson. Mildred wasn't influenced by Clarrisse like Montag was, so her mind is still set on burning the books and staying normal.

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    6. I don't think he can because she doesn't seem to care about anything except herself and her tv

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    7. I guess I don't fully understand what you mean CJ, does she always try to kill herself or has she only done that once?

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    8. It said somewhere in the beginning that she had done that multiple times

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  42. On page 71, Faber said: "I don't talk things sir. I talk the meaning of things. I sit here and know I'm alive." I think the reason that Montag likes Faber so much, because he told Montag how instead of just thinking of the steps to complete a task, instead of thinking about why you did those things, and what they would do and how the outcome will be influenced.

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  43. I think that Montag is risking his life to understand these books because he saw the happiness, joy, and natural way of life Clarisse had.

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  44. "I saw the damnedest snake in the world the other night. It was dead but it was alive".(Bradbury 73) What do you think Bradbury meant when he wrote it was dead but it was alive?

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  45. On page 77, Montag asked, "Does your 'family' love you, love you very much, love you with all their heart and soul, Millie?" Does Millie not have a real family? Why do you think Montag asked that question?

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    1. Because he is trying to convince her to read the books with him. Her 'Family' is just the people on the tv

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    2. Because he wants to know what she thinks Love is. I think that the world they are living in is so distorted that people have formed a completely different definition of "Love"

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    3. I think the only family that Mildred has is Montag. We haven't been told of her friends or family apart from the girls that come over to watch the tv. If she had any family I think they would have showed up by now because of her attempted suicides. They would have been there to support her. Montag asks her this question maybe in hope of helping her realize that he is the only one that actually cares for her.

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  46. On page 73, Mildred states that "My family is people. They tell me things: I laugh, they laugh!". Mildred is talking about the television in this quote so why do you think she has such a strong connection and loyalty to it?

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    1. Because technology has become their reality.

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    2. Mildred was raised in this new time where TV is all she knows. She also leads a very sad and meaningless life, full of depression and loneliness, so this is all she knows. Those people are her only family.

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  47. If you were to take a guess what do you think happened to Clarrise.

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    1. I think that she knew too much from Montag and it was either a freak accident or someone took her out

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  48. "The old man leapt up as if to run. And Montag said, "Wait!" "I haven't done anything!" cried the old man, trembling"(Bradbury 70). What do believe that Faber has gone through in his past for being an English teacher, to become this squeamish?

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    1. I feel the only reason he is squeamish is because he has a book on him with a fireman in front of him.

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  51. On page 73 Montag says" I've heard rumors: the world is starving but were well fed." Why do you think Ray Brandbury put this in the book what is this trying to say about the world they live in now?

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    1. I think everyone is trying to hide the horrible world that exists outside of their community

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  52. Page 77 "I'm numb, he thought. When did the numbness really begin in my face? In my body?" When do you think that his numbness began

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    1. It began in his brain, because he slowly became numb to the things that shouldn't be considered normal. Now he is slowly regaining feeling.

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  53. What did you make of the Dentifrice part? Why do you think Bradbury included it?

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    1. I thought Bradbury included the Dentifrice part and played it over and over, so that people are somewhat brainwashed. They will just continue to buy without thinking.

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    2. Proving that the society does not think, and Montag wants people to know they can think for themselves and they don't have to follow the insane rules society makes.

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  54. Why is Mildred so negative towards Montag? Is she the foil?

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    1. Mildred feels as if she is a failure and worthless. With Guy discovering to think for himself, I think Mildred might be a little bit jealous.

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    2. I think that she might also be a little envious

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    3. On the other hand, I think Mildred is scared more than anything. She is scared that someone will find out Montag is acting very strangely and doing illegal things. She is trying to stress to him what she thinks is right, and she is doing it in the only way she seems fit, which is with a negative reaction.

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  55. Why does Montag want to change Mildred so badly, if maybe she can't be saved?

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    1. I think Montag truly loves her, and wants her to see what he sees in the books.

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  56. i think he wanted to share something with Mildred by showing her the books so that they had something to talk about.

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  57. Did Montag want to start a revolution?

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    1. I think Montag wants to change the way society works, and if he has to start a revolution for people to open their eyes, he will.

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    2. Yes, once Clarisse sparked the thought of wonder in his mind he has seemed to want a change in society.

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    3. I think that Montag wants to change the society in a way that everything that is happened with the burning of the books and other things are changed.

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    4. I think that Montag wants to change the society because he wants kids to experience what he has experienced though books. You can learn so much from what other people can do.

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    5. I don't think he initially meant to, but Clarisse changed his perspective on everything. And now that his wife knows about the book and stuff, i think he will continue to want a change.

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  58. Why do you think Mildred does not reveal to anyone that Montag is breaking the law?

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    1. I think that Mildred still loves Montag.

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    2. I think she feels obligated not to because they are married but I don't think she will keep it a secret forever

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    3. I think she is fearful of what will happen not just to him but also herself

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    4. I think it's because she is scared about what will happen to her and her 'relatives'.

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    5. I think that she feels that he ows this to him to not tell anyone because he is just going though a time right now that life is not easy for Montag so I think she will keep the secret.

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  59. On page 77, when Mildred responds, "Why'd you ask a silly question like that?" to Montag's question of if her 'family' loves her, is it because she believes that they do or that they don't?

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  60. When Mildred points out that "Books aren't people", it made me realize that books are one of the only signs of humanity in this book. The people are like robots and are fooled into thinking that their lives are normal. In this society it is "normal" to be bland.

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    1. It also makes you think about her reasoning, because technically her 'relatives' aren't people either. It makes me question her definition of a person.

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    2. I agree, nothing seems to be really living in this book, however there are small hopes of true humanity.

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  62. Is mildrrd the only thing keeping montsg somewhat happy?

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    1. I think the discovery of the books made Montsg much happier.

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    2. I feel like she is holding him back more than making him happy. It seems like they don't have anything in common.

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    3. In my opinion, I believe that the hanging soul of Clarisse is keeping him more happy than Mildred. First, Mildred seems to bring Montag nothing, but negativity. She says he can't read these books, she says that Clarisse is no longer there, and above everything else she want Montag to move on from the one true person who made him feel love (pg 68).

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  63. On page 71 it says "Montag paced the floor and came back and squatted down and read a page as many as ten times, aloud." Why do you think they can't comprehend the books? Do you think it is because they have never been introduce/educated about the things in the books?

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    1. I think it's like what Faber said when he was talking to Montag in the flashback "I don't talk things, I talk the meaning of things". Montag can easily read the book, but to find the deep meaning inside of it takes a while, because, like you said, they aren't taught that way.

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    2. I think that they have been so used to the way life is for them that they have little qualities of humans in general. They are almost just as much influenced by technology as technology itself

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  64. What is motherhood like in this book?

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  65. "An hour a day, two hours, with these books, and maybe..." ( 74 )

    How do you think Montag was going to finish the sentence?

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  66. Why does Mildred prefer everyone on her TV wall and books to everyone in real life?

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    1. Maybe that is all she knows and she has just been taught to shut other people out.

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    2. I agree, Logan, but maybe she also doesn't like the people in the outside world because she doesn't like the world she lives in. People who hate their living environment often think of a fantasy environment to live in. That is what I believe Mildred is doing.

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  67. On pages 82-83 Faber talks about his knowledge of books and the magic of them, "There is nothing magical in them at all. The magic is only in what books say, how they stitched the patches of the universe together into one garment for us." Do you agree or disagree with this? Why?

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  68. On page 73 "-Does he lick his lips-"does your 'family' love you love you very much, love you with all their heart and soul Millie? Do you think that relationship is going to die because of how they are each feeling.

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    1. I think it has always been dying. They don't seem to really love each other, and this society doesn't really seem to even know what love is.

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    2. I think that they were never really in love, the author made it seem like they are more like roommates and they never truly got to know each other.

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  69. Can people today in real life relate to how Mildred feels like she knows the people in her books and TV?

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    1. I think characters are developed in a way that makes them easy to relate to so people today do feel that same connection.

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  70. On page 73, Montag says "I've heard rumors; the world is starving, but we're all fed. Is it true the world works hard and we play? Is that why we're hated so much?" What happened in this world to make it the way it is, where America is the only world power and they can just keep starting atomic wars?

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  71. Do you think there is a difference between being illegal and being banned?

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    1. In the real world, yes, but in this book they mean the same thing.

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    2. If something is banned by the government, then it's illegal to have it

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  72. What does the title "The Sieve and the Sand" mean? Why is it relevant to the book?

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    1. I feel like the sieve is his new ideas about the world and all the questions he asked and the sieve is all the books he reads now that opened up his ideas to the world

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    2. I feel as if the government is the sieve and the people are the sand, and slowly one by one the sand goes through, not at the same time but eventually everyone follows.

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  73. On page 77 it says, "I'm numb...When did the numbness really begin in my face? In my body?" What is making him "numb?" Is this physical or mental? I've noticed a pattern of illness. Hospitals, concussions, stomach pumps, and now numbness. Why is this society like this?

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  74. The bible stand for something greater than just freedom.

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  75. Do you think that Montag is starting to learn about religion? Do you think that he will change his opinion?

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    1. I'm not sure if he even knows about religion but I think he focused on the bible because its something he can follow. For his whole life he has been following some kind of path and I think now he wants something to guide him in some way.

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    2. I don't think religion even exists in this society so I think the Bible is showing more history than religion. He is curious about what is inside because it is the book of all books.

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    3. I think he will develop his own opinion on if he agrees or not. And he is getting deeeper into wanting to challange all yhings he knows

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  76. What role do you think that fire plays in the book? What do you think it represents?

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    1. I think it's been the common trend that fire is the thing that makes all the "problems" go away and make a clean slate in a way.

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    2. As we all know in this book fire is controlled by man and the fire is used to burn the books. I believe that books symbolize the future and the society that we will have full of ideas. Therefore as man burns the books, we are actually burning our future of intellect and expanding ideas.

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  77. On page 71 it said "They read" and I was a bit confused since books have been banned so how would they even know how to read? Perhaps they learned how to read in school, but how would they when there are no books to teach them with? Did they teach them using lists and worksheets? Did they read using a computer (if they have any)? Why would Montag start looking for answers in the bible? Do they still have religious practices or do they no longer have any religion at all?
    "'Faber, with a certain trembling, wrote his address on a slip of paper. 'For your file,' he said, 'in case you decide to be angry with me.'" (75) Why would Faber be concerned about angry firemen? Have firemen taken advantage of their power and hurt others when they were angry? Why would Montag be mad?
    Can Mildred really be trusted with keeping Montag's books a secret?

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  78. Do you think that Mildred does not tell anyone about the books because she loves Montag or because she is afraid of ruining her public appearance and getting into trouble?

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    1. I think she's telling herself she's happy with her life the way it is, and she doesn't want things to change.

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    2. This is a good question. I think both. But with how she acts, i lean more towards not telling anyone to assure her public appearance isn't ruined.

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  79. Do you think Mildred values her image more than anything else?

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    1. I think that Mildred has been conditioned to value her image above everything else even though no one else in this society has enough time to even look her way.

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  80. What are your thoughts on Millie? would you trust her?

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    1. I don't know why but I just think somethings a little off about her. I don't really trust her but I not quite sure why.

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  81. Is storytelling different than reading books?

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  82. Mildred states, "He might come and burn the house and the 'family'. That's awful! Think of our investment. Why should I read? What for?" (73). Is there a strong enough justification to jeopardize that which is at risk from one's reading of these books? Are the oppressed lives of these characters in need of this risk in order to feel alive?

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  83. Rikki made a good point. I think the TV also has opinions being displayed and that is what the government is afraid of, but also I think reading requires a certain level of intelligence. I think the government is afraid of people becoming smart and challenging the government.

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    1. I agree with this point because just like in the ancient China dynasties, knowledge is power, and power means that the government has a chance to be questioned.

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  84. Do you agree with Gabriella on the point that you cannot have an imagination with TV?

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    1. I think you can but it won't get very far because there is nothing to really imagine because the show is scripted and you can't change anything or interpret it really.

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    2. I do not because people can still interpret TV as well as other texts like books.

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    3. I agree. I think TV can corrupt your imagination because it is showing you how someone else saw it. Like when you go see a movie after you read the book and you don't like it because it is different than what you imagined in your head.

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    4. You can definitely have imagination with TV. Not as much as books, but you can have imagination in anything. That's the whole point of having an imagination

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    5. I think imagination is always going to be there but somethings like TV diminish it. TV replaces your ideas with their ideas. I think in this society that is exactly what the government wants.

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    6. Yes, TV fills in everything for you, the sight, the sound, there is no place for you to imagine for yourself.

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    7. Totally agree with Lizzie, you read a book and have all these pictures in your head and all these ideas of what you think is going on and then you see the movie and everything is completely different than you imagined it. I think Tv does possibly ruin our imagination just because theres not a lot of room for your own thoughts.

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  85. There has been a theme of happiness vs unhappiness in the book. Do you think that kids born in this world are happy or unhappy?

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    1. I think they are born happy but learn unhappiness, just like you learn anything else.

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  86. On page 73, Mildred says "He might come burn the house and the "family". Thats awful! Think of our investment." about their house... The irony within this sentence. She supports the fact that they do this to others houses, and its always been okay. But when its her house, it is another story.

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