Monday, April 4, 2016

One: April 4, 2016

Focus: Can one book/one person really make a difference?

1. Warming up with Kathryn Otoshi's One

2. Thinking about the significance of one book/one person in your think tanks

Topic #1: What do you think was the author's purpose in writing One? In other words, if you think about little kids reading this book, what effects might it have on them? Can you think of any books (children's books, young adult books, or high school books) that helped shape who you are and how you see the world? How so? Had you grown up entirely without books, like the people in F451, would you be different?

Topic #2: In F451, who or what might be "red"? "Blue"? The number 1? The other colors?

Topic #3: Can one person truly effect a change in society? Can you think of examples? What has to happen for Montag to be that person?

3. Enjoying F451 Fishbowl #5: Pages 80-102

HW:
1. Your next reading assignment isn't due until Thursday, but it's the long one: Read through page 139 for Thursday and prepare for our penultimate fishbowl.

2. If you're giving your presentation this Friday, April 8, now is the time to prepare.

3. ANY MAKEUP WORK/REVISIONS FROM THE LAST SIX WEEKS ARE DUE THIS FRIDAY. THIS INCLUDES MISSED FISHBOWLS.

192 comments:

  1. I think that Montag has to expose books to the public and show them how books are important to life. but to do that, he must understand what the books really mean

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  2. Montag and Faber need to find a few more people to help them but when they find that group then Montag will become the one person to lead them towards a change.

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  3. He could be the person that changes the thinking on books. Which could make society smarter and better educated.

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  4. Even if Montag had everything he needed to be the one, is he brave enough to take that step?

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  5. Montag has to build an army by making solid points about why we need books in our life. Once they are big enough, they can take on the government to change the way things are going, where books can again be legal

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  6. He has to gain followers and stand out as a leader. Also, he has to appeal to the general public because so far, most people want nothing to do with him or the books that he is trying to understand.

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  7. Montag needs to find the 'Red' in the society so that he can show that standing up to Red isn't hard

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  8. Montag can be the one to change society but in order to do that he must have the courage to stand up to those in charge. He has to take a stand against the people in power and change them, then everyone else will follow.

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  9. He has to have other people help him. One would would never defeated red without 2, 3, 4 etc.

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  10. Montag needs to see the effects that books can have on people and to have the courage to risk his life by showing others. If he can do this it will start a snowball effect and will change his society for the better.

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  11. He needs to stand up for books and what he believes in. He needs to be a leader and teach the importance of life to many people no matter the consequences.

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  12. Montag needs to expose the books to people so that they can realize that ther is more meaning to life then just what the government wants them to think or say or do

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  13. If Montag can expose more people to books then he can change the way people look at them because once they start to read them they won't want to keep burning them.

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  14. Montag has to learn what it is he cannot understand. He doesn't fully understand books or why they appeal to him so much, but once he knows and he shares this with the people, the people will decide for themselves that books are great.

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  15. Montag has to find the thing that he is afraid of and stand up to it.

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  16. I think Montag needs to get the books out there and show the rest of the society that they aren't bad, and actually are good for the society.

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  17. People have to look up to Montag and understand what he is trying to change. Montag has to become a leader and stand up for books and other people.

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  18. It is very possible for one person to change society. Even if someone did something that doesn't seem to impact society, it easily could. People would see the person's work and get inspired by it, which leads to more change. In order for Montag to be that kind of person, he needs to be different from everyone else. In the kind of society that Montag is in, since everyone is pretty much identical, anyone that stands out and makes a difference could change society.

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  19. Montag needs to get more people on board with him so that they all can change the community together. Montag by himself with Faber won't be able to do much to the society as much to a single individual.

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  20. In order for Montag to be the 1 he has to start with smell steps. He needs to create a habit of the mentality that everything matters and if he wants to be the one he must always be trying to do that and use the snowball method. Start with himself and step by step get more people to agree with him and join him until it becomes so big that everyone gets sucked in and society is changed.

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  21. For Montag to be the one to make changes he needs to have confidence and be able to stand up to the people in charge.

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  22. I think Montag is very similar to Katniss in "The Hunger Games." Both characters have earned some respect due to their accomplishments. Whether it's winning the Hunger Games or being a highly ranked fireman, people in society see them as possible leaders. Katniss stood up for what she believed in and started a rebellion. I think Montag can do the same thing.

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    1. I believe that this connection is very realistic, both characters show acts of leadership throughout their story lines.

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    2. However, Katniss saw a lot of restraint from her government. We haven't really seen what the government in Fahrenheit 451 could do to someone like Montag.

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  23. To be the one. Does that mean he has to keep his curiosity for books?

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  24. I believe that Montag has two options; the first option that he has is to try to gather a group of people who have the same thinking technique as him. the other option that he has is to open up such as a speech to spread how books will help everyone out in different ways.

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  25. He needs to show his passion for books and maybe more people will follow along.

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  26. I think that one person can make a difference, they just have to have a message that is easily backed by a lot of people, like Gandhi in India. Montag has to come to terms with the false reality that he was living in, and that he truly has to trust Faber, and can't keep doing self-destructive things like opening books in public or when Mildred's friends came over. I think Montag has yet to become that person, however he is almost at that point.

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  27. I think montag needs to truly think what the books actually mean and what his goal is throughout this whole idea of his.

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    3. Well MattHEW I agree with that statement. Before he starts to teach people about the books, he needs to learn what the true meaning and importance of the books first.

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  28. Why did the poem that Montag read made Mrs. Phelps upset?

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    1. Mrs Phelps knows that she could be in a lot of trouble if they were caught reading it. She wanted nothing to do with the book or with Montag since he is the one reading it.

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    2. I think the poem was very special to Mrs.Phelps, it might have been read to her from her family or from a loved one.

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  30. Will Montags plan of planting books in firemen's houses work?

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    1. I think it has a good chance but people have there minds set that books a bad. So it's going to take a lot for the firemen to change their minds.

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  31. "That’s the good part of dying; when you’ve nothing to lose, you run any risk you want"(Bradbury 85). If Clarisse was still around would Montag be willing to risk dying?

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    1. If Clarisse was still around, Montag would've been more encouraged to change society. His encouragement most likely wouldn't be because of risk, but instead because of Clarisse herself.

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  32. What do the pages ripped out represent?

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    1. I believe that the pages represent a part of his life the he doesn't believe "counts"

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    2. It symbolises a fear of someone or something so you are getting rid of the evidence or information

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    3. I think it could be the things that he's trying to ignore in his life. They represent ignorance and frustration because change is something new and this change is messing with Montag mentally.

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    4. They represent hatred and strike fear into some people.

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  33. Faber tells Montag,"Number one, as I said: quality of information. Number two: leisure to digest it. And number three: the right to carry out actions based on what we learn from the interaction of the first two." How will Faber teach Montag to do these three things when reading books?

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  34. I think the reason Montag ripped out the pages, was because he knew that Faber would not calmly watch that happen, and would do anything to stop Montag from destroying one of the last copies of the bible on earth, which worked.

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  35. On page 88 Montag says, "'Who can stop me? I'm a fireman. I can burn you!" If books start to become more relevant in society, do you think fireman will lose their power and relevance?

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    1. If books were relevant in society again, I think firemen would go back to putting out fires instead of starting them.

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    2. I think firemen would slowly disappear if the houses don't need to be put out and the books don't need to be burnt

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    3. I think that the fireman's power rely's on the ignorance of the population. If the people were to realize what the firemen did then all of their power would be gone.

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    4. Relating to our everyday lives, I believe that most of our school will treat firemen with care, but in this book people in this biome seem do not care about firemen.

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    5. I don't think they'll lose their power because all they are doing is burning books and not helping the society at all.

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    6. Without being able to burn books, society won't have any need of fireman since the houses are fire retardant and their only objective would be taken away.

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  36. Will Guy's outburst to the three women on page 98 jeopardize their mission? What unintended consequences will this have?

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    1. Faber is definitely worried about it but what will these 3 women do? I think they are so numbed by hours of watching t.v. that they will either forget or not care enough to bring it up to anyone important.

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  37. Will Montag continue to trust Mildred? She sounds like a pretty terrible person and she clearly doesn't support Montag anyway.

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    1. Has Montag ever loved her? I don't think Montag will ever trust her and I don't know why they are together. Earlier in the book we saw a glimpse that Montag was there for his wife but since then I haven't seen much to tell me that they count on each other or trust each other at all.

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  38. Do you think the "Red" in the society is the government, and all of the people secretly want books back but won't tell the government? Or is Montag blue, Clarisse is purple, the old lady is yellow, and everybody else has been brainwashed into all becoming red?

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    1. I think there is a mixture. Montag is One, and the people are subconsciously blue. There are some people that are completely lost, but I think there are a lot of other numbers out there that will join One (montag) once he stands up to Red (the government)

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    2. I don't think red can become a physical object. Red is more the social norms that have risen by both the citizens and the government.

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    3. Throughout the book Bradbury has said that it wasn't the government who outlawed books, but the people who decided together that they should be banned. For this reason I don't think that the Red in society is the government.

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    4. Yeah I agree with that. I think Montag has the potential to be the "1" who stands up for everyone else first. Once he does all the other people will stand up as well.

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    5. I think the government is red and Montag is blue, he is trying to get everyone to team up against "Red".

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  39. On page 101, third to last paragraph, Montag and Clara get into a really big fight. During this fight, Montag brings up what seems to be past, present, and personal life of Clara. Before, Clara had mentioned that Montag was a nasty man because of how much he talked about how poetry related to a lot of subjects. Clara disagreed. Why did MOntag feel the need to unleash on Clara? Was he trying to make her feel guilty for what she had said?

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    1. I think he is just tried of people being closed minded and he has been trying make millie see what he has been seeing with no success, and when they don't even care that there husbands are going to war it all came out.

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  40. On page 98-99 Mildred says, "Montag, listen, only one way out, play it as a joke, cover up, pretend you aren't mad at all. Then walk to your wall incinerator and throw the book in!" Why doesn't Montag cover his ideas more? He throws out all these emotions, and the society isn't used to them so they are surprised.

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  41. Do you think Montag is trying to change society by reading all of the books or is he reading books just to understand them?

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    1. I think Montag is reading the books to understand some portions in his life and help him understand his life more clearly from the different stories he is reading.

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    2. I think Montag is trying to read books to understand them for himself. And then with his knowledge from reading, he will apply that to potential change in society.

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    3. I think Montag is reading books to change society. He honestly hasn't spent much time comprehending the books themselves but how things would be different if everyone read.

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  42. Do you think our society is headed in the direction that they are in? Can you see anything that shows some of what is going on there to what's going on right now in our lives?

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    1. I think the popularity of TV and video games among young people in todays societly shows a little bit of correlation. People are also starting to move away from books more and more. This is also an exaggerated example and I would hope America would never do something as stupid as ban every book ever.

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  43. "Who can stop me? I'm a fireman. I can burn you!"(Bradbury 88) Why do you think he still uses this as a threat when he isn't fireman or he doesn't have the power to go around burning people?

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    1. Well MattHEW, he uses this as a threat because he is starting to get dedicated to books, that he doesn't want them to burn. He doesn't have the power or authority anymore, but he still uses what he used to be to prevent certain actions.

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    2. I think that this is the only thing he knows, and he cannot fully deal with these people. He is more advanced than the rest of the society, but not advanced enough to deal with bad situations other than his past job

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  44. On page 93, Mrs. Bowles says: "You heave them into the 'parlor' and turn the switch. It's like washing clothes; throw them in and slam the lid." Is this a common parenting tactic in this reality? What can this say about our society's parenting tactics, with many new parents allowing their children to be raised by the internet and television?

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    1. There's already some evidence that this can affect kids especially in social skills. Kids raised by television and the internet without reading books and playing games that challenge their imagination don't know how to ask questions, "How" or "Why".

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    2. I think the new technology is almost brainwashing most of the younger generation and we spend most of our hours watching TV or staring at our phones so when we grow up we wont know how to talk to other people

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  45. On page 96, when everyone is discussing children, one of the mothers says, "I put up with them when they come home three days a month; it's not bad at all. You heave them into the 'parlor' and turn the switch."

    Is this the way society is starting to become today?

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    1. I see what you are lookin at CJ but I think we aren't necessarily becoming this harsh and cruel to our children but I can see how you are developing that thought

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    2. Most definitely not. I think parents cherish their children with all their heart in today's society.

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  46. "He'll be back next week. The Army said so. Quick War. Forty-eight hours, they said". How can wars happen so frequently that people will consider it casual conversation and they can last only a couple weeks?

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    1. I think at this point in society their country is so powerful they can win any war at will. Whenever someone threatens them, they probably destroy them. They said that their country plays while everyone else works.

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  47. Do you think our society still supports the people who try to inspire change. When you look at people like Edward Snowden and how he is represented in the media, has our society started to reflect F451?

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    1. I think that in terms of government spying, we are already there, with more to come on the horizon. However, I do think that our society encourages and empowers people that want change, if they have supporters backing them, and a strong clear message.

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    2. I do think we are headed in the direction of losing connection with books. Do I think we would ban them? No, but more and more books have turned into movies and technology is growing more and more. Almost every book you can read can be found online and less books are being printed every year. Kids have started to play more video games and watch more movies while not reading as much as even just 10 years ago.

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  48. Do you think the books in F451 have more power than books like "One"? Do you believe that the book "One" could end up having an affect on kids like Henry (Ms. Leclaire's son).

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    1. I believe that even with F451 having a deeper message, books like "One" are more effective because children are the easiest to change. I doubt many kids would pick up F451 and read it easily, and if they did, they wouldn't need to be changed.

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    2. I think they are equally powerful. F451 is very powerful to us because its a high level book and it's relevant to us. One is very powerful to a young child that is developing. Small amounts of simple information can be a strong influence on a child.

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  49. In response to Ferrie for saying that the firemen are red: I do not think that the firemen are really red, the people who provide them the job are red. Secretly I think the firemen like books because on page 59 Beatty states, "At least once in his career,every fireman gets an itch. What do the books say, he wonders. Oh, to scratch that itch, eh?"(Bradbury 59).

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    1. I agree, but I don't think that giving the firemen a color at all describes them well. All of the government controlled businesses are robots, and do what the REAL Reds say

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  50. On page 83, second paragraph, Faber explains 2 things that make good books. Quality, leisure. Does this make Montag's curiosity for books grow even more?

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  51. I think that a single person can create the idea that can change society but needs others to follow it to be effective.

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  52. Any person can change society, but what the important thing is what kind of difference they make, weather it be negative or positive.

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  53. I think that people can have a small impact and then people will fallow in that way you can change society.

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  54. The people in society are the other colors because they don't do anything to help the book burning problem.

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  55. We talked about how one person can start a change or alter a society, but it takes one more person to actually change the society.

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  56. I think that one person can inspire others to make a change by sharing their opinions and ideas but it's up to the other people to buy into it and actually take into consideration what they are saying.

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  57. It is noticed that there was a debate on whether Montag or Clarisse was viewed as the character "One" in the book that was just read. Do you or do you not think she was the one who made the change?

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  58. A person can become a symbol or an idea, after that there is almost no way a moment can be stopped.

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  59. I think there power behind one, but the one must be backed by many more in order for his word to mean something.

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  60. A person alone can start a change, but no one man/woman can make society different by themselves, they will always need help.

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  61. What color was everyone else who didn't read the books?

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    1. I think they were the other colors (orange, yellow, etc.) because they are nice but they don't have enough confidence to begin the change themselves. They will only step up if someone else who has that audacity to stand against the other color (Red).

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  62. We talked about how we do believe one person can affect a change in society by starting the idea or speaking their mind, but to really make a change they will need help by more people.

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  63. I think that it takes multiple people to make a change. 1 person may start the movement, but cannot do it on their own.

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  64. We mostly agreed that red is the government. What else could red be to you?

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    1. Honestly, I think it can be anyone. It depends on how you look at it. Like for example, Montag would consider Red would be the government. And the government sees Montag and anyone else who dares to speak against them by preaching the goodness of books is Red. It just depends on which side you are on.

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    2. I agree with Yiru. We don't know that all the people in the society are secretly keeping to themselves that they hate the system. There could be people who we would consider the red... Because they are okay with the system and agree with it and think its right.

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  65. What about the other characters like Mildred or the old man? What character from One do you think they relate to?

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    1. I believe that Mildred is strongly one of the other colors. She is the epitome of a person in that society she is extremely ignorant and selfish. Mildred goes with the crowd; if everyone else were to start trying to make a change then Mildred would follow the crowd.

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    2. I think Mildred is a part of Red, because she believes what the government tells her. Faber might be seen as another color, because he may tell Montag that what he thinks is right, but once "red" shows up, he in compliant to what "red" wants.

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  66. We thought that everyone had the ability to change society like MLK and basically anyone that stands up for what they believe in.

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  67. Society is the other colors because they don't hold a strong opinion and do what Red tells them to.

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    1. I agree that society is the other colors. Do you think that the people in this society would begin to state their opinions about things if a group of people started it?

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  68. I believe that the government is red and that the society in general is the other colors and that the government is oppressive to the society. The society's representation of the colors is demonstrated through its dismissive acceptance of the governments ideals.

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  69. I believe that in the book F451 the government would be the color Red because they are oppressing peoples ideas. Montag is beginning to be Blue because he has ideas about trying to change their society but does not speak up. Clarisse was Montag's personal One that got him thinking about actually speaking up and trying to change the way people think.

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  70. In my opinion I think that one person can change a society, depending on the popularity they have, if it's somebody who just flies under the radar, they can't do much but spark a thought, and but it takes also more people to make a change, say donald trump, he has sparked a lot of controversy in our society today, and then there is ted cruz who is under the radar and is trying to make a change in the society but cant because he is flying under the radar

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  71. The people in society are the other colors because they don't do anything to help the book burning problem.

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    1. Do you believe that the book burning problem is the only thing these people have to speak up about?

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  72. I think that Blue is Guy
    One is Clarisse
    Red is the society
    And the other colors are the people that guy is briniging together.
    I think that the society really threw Guy down and made him feel small for a while but after Clarisse started talking to him he realized that he could start to stand up for himself and the books and brings other people into this group.

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  73. "The book has pores..." (p. 83) Why do they give books life-like qualities, yet people are still talked about like non-living things?

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    1. Bradbury gave the humanized the books to show the emotion that the book held, while the people were emotionless and they lived in a routine life.

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  74. I think one person can has a huge impact on a whole society. When I think about changing the society the first person that comes to mind is MLK. He stood up for what he believed in stood up for something so many others felt like they couldn't. And he did it in a way that was non violent but affective. Montag needs to overcome the fear that he will get in trouble and he needs to stick up for what he thinks is right.

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    1. But MLK still needed people to rally behind him for his ideas to be heard. Without other supporters he couldn't of made an impact.

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  75. Why are books so dangerous to this post apocalyptic government?

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    1. Knowledge is power and of the goverment hss the knowledge they have the power. If you let yoir society have power you wont have power forever

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    2. I think that it dangerous to the government because they don't want people to think that they are running it the only way that they know how they should run it. I think that they are afraid that they will start questioning what they are doing if they can't do it.

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    3. our government has power and we as people have knowledge.

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  76. What do the sieve and the sand symbolize?

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    1. I think the sand is all the idea that the government put through Montag's mind and the sieve is the ideas the books give him about how things could be diffrent

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    2. I kind of saw it as people's minds and how simplistic they see the world if that makes sense. So basically, you pour the sand in the sieve and the sand will pour through the holes. Those are the people that got completely brainwashed to believe that books are a bad thing. However, there are some remnants of the sand that gets left behind in the holes of the sieve and I think those people are the ones who believe that burning books is an idiotic thing to do because it is the key to seeing real world.

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  77. Mrs. Bowles says: "You heave them into the 'parlor' and turn the switch. It's like washing clothes; throw them in and slam the lid. (Page 93). Is this normal for parents to act like this during the time period?

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    1. During this time period I think it may of been normal. Kids are a burden not a blessing

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  78. "The book has pores..." (p. 83) I think that this book is full of life even more than people know. They give it life like qualities to help show that the book carries life within it. The book brings life with life.

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  79. On page 84 Montag says "Where do we go from here? Would books help us?" Why do you think Montag is suddenly so worried about the future and how books with help/hurt society?

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    1. I think it is just the spark of imagination that Clarisse caused.

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  80. on page 85 when it says " You're running a risk" what do you think that that symbolizes?



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    1. I think that this symbolizes a shift or change in the society.

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  81. I think the title of this chapter is a deeper meaning of what Clarissa was trying to do. Those who don't want to make a change or don't have the courage to will fall through. But those who are "bigger" and are willing to stand up will stay on top and make the change.

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  82. Do people feel their ideas aren't being heard? Or is nobody speaking up?

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    1. I think that people are scared to speak up because they are afraid if they do they will get in trouble with the government.

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    2. I don't think their ideas are being shared quite yet. They only have so many people that are willing to stand with them and listen.

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    3. I don't think peoples ideas are being heard. I know i wouldn't think mine was being heard if I lived in that society. They really can only think their ideas to themselves, because if you speak up, who knows what everyone else thinks and you have the chance of getting yourself hurt or in big trouble. Even if there is people out there who agree with you.

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    4. I think that only some of these people are speaking up. The issue is that a majority of people have to speak up in order to make a drastic change. When Gandhi was trying to spark a movement and the British would go to farmers and tell them to grow specific crops. In order for the movement to work and Gandhi to get the British to leave everyone had to say no to the British and to face the consequences.

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    1. I think he does. He wants change and he knows that a rebellion is the only way that that is going to happen.

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    2. I also think he does but their would have to be a large group of rebels to even be able to start one.

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    3. I think he does, but without the trouble. He wants to be able to read books and freely talk about them, but he doesn't want to go through the trouble of getting to that point.

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  84. "We have everything we need to be happy, but we aren't happy. Something's missing." page 82
    Why does he think that books are the answer to the loss of happiness. How do you think that these people think that this is all to life? Not thinking for themselves and having nothing creative to say.

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    1. I think that because this society has lost a lot of creativity, they feel like they are missing a piece of them now that it's in their lives in a different way.

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  85. I think the meaning behind the queen bee is that he has more knowledge than everyone because he was and english teacher and he knows about the books.

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    1. I agree with you. I also think he read some books about the mechanisms he built and showed to Montag which is why he isn't so affected with the crazy thoughts of banning books versus the society.

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  86. Do you think this society had it in them to rebel? Do they even care?

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    1. I think th whole reason about book burning was to stop rebellion from the people.

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    2. I think that they care, But I don't think that they care enough to rebel, does that make sense?

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    3. I don't think they know any better as of now. They aren't aware of how extreme their society is and if someone like Montag steps up then I think that he can spark something and start a revolution.

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    4. I think everyone is too preoccupied in their own lives to bother with worrying about anyone else, especially if the other person doesn't benefit them.

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    5. I agree with Riley, I'm sure they all care... But never thought just themselves could make a change or that their voice will be heard. But I do think that now that Montag may speak up, it could get a lot of others too also.

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    6. I honestly don't think they care anymore now that they're more than knee deep in this society of knowing that banning books is the right thing. I feel like they've gotten to that point that they don't really show concern in why books are so bad.

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  87. On page 101, Montag begins to yell at Mrs. Bowles. He makes striking points, "Go home...divorced...killed...blowing his brains out...dozen abortions...hate." It is amazing how Bradbury made the case of the effects of only wanting to have fun. In 1953, he realized the patterns in society which would result in things such as easy divorces, or easy access to abortions. Was this just a lucky guess, or did Bradbury have incite that the average person didn't consider?

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    1. I think he just thought of all the things that would be considered horrible in that year and made them happen, our generation just made it happen. It's amazing how many things he has predicted.

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  88. Could they be the ones who make this a smarter society? What would it take for them to accomplish this?

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  89. When Montag and the old man are making a plan Faber says, "'Here I am sending you out into the night, while I stay behind the lines with my damned ears listening for you to get your head chopped off.'" Pg 91. Do you think Faber not going with him makes him a coward? Is it a good or bad idea? Do you think Fabor thinks it's the best idea for the team or is he just fearful?

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    1. I have the same questions that you ask as well. I feel like we shouldn't trust Faber right now because he seems to be more of a coward than ready to be committed to this uproar Montag and him are soon to raise.

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    2. Faber seems to value his own safety above other things, however, if he were to not stay behind, both men would have to risk not being able to carry out their plan.

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  90. On page 101 Montag yells "Go home and think of your first husband divorced...go home and think of dozen abortions you've had... Go home, go home!" Montag snaps here. I feel like all this pressure on him is building up, but he is taking it out the wrong way and needs to handle these types of situations better I feel. He needs to take action instead of just being mad.

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  91. On page 89 the old man says "Those who don't build must burn. It's as old as history and juvenile delinquents." What do you think the deeper meaning of this quote is?

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    1. I think its means that those who can't imagine or think freely try to get rid of those ideas

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    2. I kind of took it as those who build are the ones who rebel against the government to read the books. If you are not on that side, then you are obviously on the side of burning.

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    3. I think that this quote refers to people who don't contribute to society don't deserve to be apart of it.

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    4. I think that it includes the books and the sides with the government, but I think it has a lot to do with being strong enough to stand up for what you believe in

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  92. "That's the good part of dying; when you've nothing to lose, you run any risk you want." Page 85
    I love this quote. What does he really want from showing the books though. He has been taking Fabers ideas and saying he would turn them into reality but why doesn't he go off of his own idea? By doing this he wants life to mean more than it does now, why do you think he thinks books can make such an impact?

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  93. Do you agree with the inner circle as they are saying that the people in Farenheit 451 are afraid to see the ugly side of the society? Do think they are just pushing it to the side so that they don't have to see it? What is the ugly side of the society? What is the pretty side?

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    1. I already thought that the society that their in was the ugly part of society? I didn't know that it could get any worse

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  94. Do you think you need religion to kepl a society sane?

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    1. I think sometimes when religion is brought into a society it makes things worse. Every person has their own beliefs and when theres a society where people have multiple beliefs it can complicate things, and crawl judgment.

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    2. Yes, but there's also consequences that come with that benefit. Although it gives people comfort as to how we were made, why we are here, etc. it also causes war. Because of religions, it is a reason why some people are unable to get along. Then before we know it, it causes uproars, everyone shoving their religion down others' throat because they believe they're right and everyone is completely wrong.

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    3. Maybe not a specific religion. A religion is defined as a cultural system of behaviors, etc. I think that they need boundaries

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  95. Do you think Montag is fearful? At this point do you think he is thinking about himself or the greater good?

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  96. How come Bradbury represents books as alive and people as dead?

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    1. I think its because books are full of ideas that will last forever. Authors are able to share their ideas and teach people years after their death. People lives are nothing compared to the eternal life of books.

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    2. I think it's because books have different thoughts and information than the people because the people all think the same way.

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    3. I think weird because you are reading a book about how in society books are band, so I feel like it is showing how the book you are reading is alive but the people who can't read are "dead".

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    4. I think that he does that to show the difference, because the people all seem to be boring, the do the same things, I see the people in this society as monotone, and the books as color, I can't see the people like that, but then again, it could just be because he's an author, and thats just how he sees things

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  97. on page (97) when it says " what've you got there; isnt that abook i thought that all special training these days was done by film" Do you think that these people in this society get easily angered by little things? Is there something that you think their holding in? do you think that they are so controlling because the society it's self has a controlling vibe? Or do you think its something to do with the personality of the people?

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  98. "They were like a monstrous crystal chandelier tinkling in a thousand chimes, he saw their Cheshire Cat smiles burning though the walls of the house, and now they were screaming at each other above the din."
    I like the description. Why does he make the girls come off as monstrous? Why chandeliers? Where were they and why were they getting drunk? What are Guy's thoughts on this?

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  99. "Go home." Montag fixed his eyes upon her, quietly. "Go home think of your first husband divorced and your second husband killed in a jet and your third husband blowing his brains out, go home and think of the dozen abortions you've had, go home and think of that and your Caesarean sections, too, and your children hate your guts! (on page 98) Why do you think that Ray Bradbury tried to bring up all that information because he thinks that he is a bad person already? You don't want him do feel worse do you. You should take action and try to do whats right is what he doing so that is why I don't get why is getting punished for all of what he doing. Will he have to fake it until he makes it?

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  100. I think that the bible is such a different and unique book that the society is able to connect to.

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